Frankie ([info]mundens) wrote,
@ 2008-06-16 12:59:00
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Ban Thompson & Clark, Change Police SOP.
As several of my friends and a number of newspaper and other media reports have pointed out,Thompson and Clark ( who claim to be "New Zealand's leading security, corporate intelligence and protection agency with "an impeccable record", are in fact complete buffoons who know less about security and intelligence than a moderately interested amateur like myself, and whose idea of "intelligence" is to repeat almost verbatim the press releases of those they are reporting on, with a few unsubstantiated editorial comments added. In fact, it sounds like they operate exactly like the KGB used to in the seventies. Based on their methods, one has to wonder who trained the people at Thompson & Clark?

People who work for them have also been publicly documented conspiring to commit a crime. It may be a bit much to ask the Police to actually do their job for a change and charge the relevant members of that company with those crimes (see below) , but can't we at least have Thompson & Clark removed from the list of companies that the New Zealand government is allowed to employ?

There is a point that I haven't seen raised so far in the reporting of the robbery of the dairy in Auckland in which an Indian shopkeeper died. The police, who prevented the ambulance officers from reaching the dying man, claim, via police spokespeople that they were following Standard Operating Procedure or SOP. New Zealand Police Standard Operating Procedure does not, it seems, contain any requirement to actually confirm the presence and location of an armed perpetrator before sitting down and waiting for armed response units. This, despite the fact that members of the public were still wandering into the shop.

It was correct of the police to condemn the man caught on camera stealing from the shop after the shooting and while the shopkeeper was lying bleeding on the floor, but if it was obviously safe for a cowardly thief to walk into the store, why didn't the police even try to verify whether there was an armed perpetrator in the area?

Does this mean that if there is a report of an armed perpetrator in a city, but the police don't know where they are, all except armed police city-wide will hide in their cars and offices until a member of the public can find the perp for them? Because that's what it sounds like. Surely the very first thing any standard operating procedure should contain is a need to verify the actual presence and if so, the location of, any armed perpetrators?

The fact that the police were faffing around obviously believing, or at least acting as if they believed, that the perpetrator was still in the store, means the actual location of the perpetrator was not being looked for, and there was a criminal with a gun running / driving thru Auckland without the police looking for him.

I obviously don't know the full facts, so it's quite possible that the police on the scene were doing what they believed they should have been, but with the information that has currently been presented, it seems that New Zealand Police SOP needs some significant reform to bring it into line with standard police tactical response world-wide, around verifying the presence and location of armed perpetrators before applying armed response procedures. If, however, it turns out the SOP already contains this obvious requirement, then someone in the police is at fault, whether it is the responding police, their controllers, or the people who trained them in the SOP.




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Ban Thompson & Clark, Change Police SOP
(Anonymous)
2008-06-17 04:51 am UTC (link)
What a sad and meaningless life you lead. What would you know about the KGB in the 1970s. I doubt if you were even born then. Spend some time in Russia knocking the KGB if you think they're pussies. You wouldn't last 5 minutes before they kicked the shit out of you. Keep knocking others in order to give your pathetic life some purpose. You even have to steal other people's photos. You say "I obviously don't know the full facts". You actually don't know any facts you ill informed idiot.

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Re: Ban Thompson & Clark, Change Police SOP
[info]mundens
2008-06-17 06:56 am UTC (link)
What a dickhead! Didn't even bother checking my birth date! I bet that's an example of the sort of depth and accuracy one expects from a Thompson & Clark report! :P

Where did I say the KGB were pussies? I said that Thompson & Clark were using investigative techniques similar to those used by the KGB in the seventies. If you, Anonymous Coward, actually knew anything about it, you'd know exactly what I was talking about, and would be aware just how poor KGB information gathering and analysis techniques were in the seventies.

My life doesn't need any purpose more than tweaking the noses of trolls like you! Thanks for the laughs!

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Re: Ban Thompson & Clark, Change Police SOP
(Anonymous)
2008-06-18 03:58 am UTC (link)
Anonymous coward?? - whose the one afraid to show his ugly mug on his blog cos' he shit scared of the police TAU downloading it and whacking his little whimpy butt the next time he sticks his head up.

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Re: Ban Thompson & Clark, Change Police SOP
[info]mundens
2008-06-18 07:32 pm UTC (link)
Another example of the sort of lack of research exhibited by Thompson & Clarke. If you can't find a picture of me, you're even stupider than I thought.

Yes, you are a coward. Probably because you know you have broken the law. I haven't, and thus have no reason to be scared of the police.


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Re: Ban Thompson & Clark, Change Police SOP
(Anonymous)
2008-06-18 04:02 am UTC (link)
The KGB were a hell of a lot better even in the 1970s than trolls like you rate them. And so you're an expert on the KGB - man do the SIS know about this. Give a Frankie (or is that Wankie) a job. Does Brad Pitt know you have the hots for him?

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Re: Ban Thompson & Clark, Change Police SOP
[info]mundens
2008-06-18 07:39 pm UTC (link)
I don;t claim to be an expert on the KGB, it's just plainly apparent I know more about them than you. It seems yuo have based your ideas off of watching a few movies.

The SIS don't need an expert in the KGB. Hadn't you heard? It no longer exists.

I doubt Brad Pitt knows anything about me. Yes, he can be pretty hot, but that's not a picture of Brad Pitt as such, that's a picture of one of the character's he played, Tyler Durden, from Fight Club. Which is the point of using it.

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Re: Ban Thompson & Clark, Change Police SOP
(Anonymous)
2008-06-20 04:11 am UTC (link)
Actually Frankie I'd say you are not well informed about the KGB. If you had read John Barron's book or any other like it by numerous other 'experts' who have interviewed KGB defectors you'd discover the KGB was in fact pretty on to it during the 1970s and had just about every major Western intelligence service penetrated. Just one example, the top aide to West Germany's president was a long-time KGB agent. In those days they also didn't think twice about killing people either - take the famous umbrella murder case in London. The KGB in the 1970s was a slick, well oiled machine at its Cold War best. You need to choose a better analogy.

Graham Thompson
ps: I came across this stream while doing research on my thesis. Very funny

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Re: Ban Thompson & Clark, Change Police SOP
[info]mundens
2008-06-22 07:34 pm UTC (link)
I'm aware the KGB had successes. Though I suggest that you shouldn't rely on mass market paperbacks written over twenty years ago in a sensationalist style, that include mis-information from people who were never actually defectors, as your primary sources of information.

Barron's book, for example, was written before Vasili Mitrokhin, chief archivist for the FCD, defected.

However my original comment was referring to the fact that a lot, if not the majority, of the information presented by the KGB to the Soviet government was actually gathered from magazines such as Time, Life, and Newsweek, or from the press releases of Western government departments and political parties (usually received via Pravda's offices).

Often this was poorly verified because no matter how good the KGB may have been at some things, their information analysis was weak, possibly because Soviet political doctrine required them to ignore any science that was not approved by the Party, and general Soviet info-tech lagged significantly despite espionage successes.

In my opinion, the current SVR is much better organized, funded, equipped, and trained than the KGB ever was, and has far better coverage and penetration. It also holds far more political power.

As far as intelligence operations go, the so-called "Umbrella Murder" was a colossal failure. It was supposed to be a deniable death, instead it drew unwanted attention to many Bulgarian and KGB assets. I say "so-called", because the umbrella part is almost certainly a fiction dreamt up by the UK press. Also, it was a Bulgarian intelligence operation against a Bulgarian dissident, the KGB merely provided technical support, so it's not a good example of the KGB's willingness to kill.

Anyway, it's good to see you stating who you are, though I did already get the impression you were somehow associated with TCIL.

What's your thesis on?

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Re: Ban Thompson & Clark, Change Police SOP
(Anonymous)
2008-07-14 11:36 am UTC (link)
Actually no relation to those bods. Name just happens to be the same. I'm aware of Vasili Mitrokhin's stuff, it actually presents the KGB in a very favourable light in terms of what it achieved. If you read 'Comrade J' about the Sergei Tretyakov defection in 2000 you'll see all that underwent the KGB's First Chief Directorate in the collapse of the USSR was a change of name to the SVR. The MO and personnel never changed. Treyakov claims US Deputy Secretary Strobe Talbot was a KGB asset. Pretty impressive stuff and very bold of him to say it in print. I would disagree strongly with your views, Tretyakov presents a convincing argument in opposition to yours. Thesis is on international solidarity movements and their post-Soviet collapse.
Graham T

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Re: Ban Thompson & Clark, Change Police SOP
(Anonymous)
2008-06-18 04:04 am UTC (link)
Not as much a laugh as your self indulgent ravings Frankie. But at least you have one reader, even if she does hate you for the way you treat women.

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